Brick Wall Busters (2012)
Our Third Annual "Brick Wall Busters" session was held on 27 November 2012.
Responders:Virginia "Ginny" Clark, C.G.(C)
Allan E. Marble, C.G.(C)
I am trying to trace the lineage of my great great grandfather Isaac Fish, who was born in Hants County, Nova Scotia c. 1800 and died 29 April 1886. He was married to Amy (Mosher) Fish.
I have researched Ancestry.com, Family Search.org, GANS, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Nova Scotia Genealogy Network Association, "The Fish Family in England and America" by Lester Warren Fish.
Fish family of Hants County
My maternal grandmother, Love Alena Blair was born in Kentville/Waterville, Kings County, Nova Scotia 11 Feb 1880. Her grandfather's lineage is well known but her grandmother, Jerusha Anne Roach, my 2 x great grandmother's lineage is a mystery and my Nova Scotia Brick Wall!
My mysterious maternal 2 X great grandmother is Jerusha Anne West and she was born in Nova Scotia according to her death certificate.
Jerusha married (1) 12 May 1822 in Mount Hanley, Annapolis County, Nova Scotia John Cooper DeLong, the son of Simon DeLong (1761-1851) and Experience Charlton (1762-1851) John Cooper DeLong was born 12 May 1800 in Wilmot, Annapolis, Nova Scotia, and died Jul 1846 in New Germany, Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. They had eight children the last of whom was my great grandmother Catherine West DeLong born 14 Mar 1844 in New Germany and died in my house 02 Jan 1936 just six months before I was born. The intergenerational house idea was adopted from Nova Scotia and she lived with her daughter Love Alena Blair, her granddaughter Helen and soon to be great granddaughter, Me!
Jerusha and John's children: Albert Desbrisay born 20 Jan 1831 In Wilmot and died 06 Aug 1902 in Barss Corner; Experience Ann b. 04 Sept 1835 in Mt Hanley d. 19 Sept 1891 in Dorchester, MA; Mary Elizabeth b. 25 Aug 1837 in Wilmot d. 30 Oct 1927 in Milford, Annapolis County, Nova Scotia; John Wesley b. 12 May 1840 in Barss Corner d. 13 Apr 1917 in Colebrook, Coos, NH; Eleanor b. 25 Dec 1842 in Barss Corner d. 07 Dec 1940 in Amherst, NH; Prudence Isobel b 15 May 1833 in Mt Hanley d. 15 May 1884 in Framington, Lunenburg, Nova Scotia; Catherine West DeLong. Catherine, her daughter and granddaughter are buried here in Manchester, NH.
Jerusha married (2) John Roach 26 Apr 1854 in Wilmot .
I can find no reference to Jerusha's parents Paul West or Mary West. One family note refers to her mother as Mary Chappell. Some links refer us to Tolland , Conn from whence come many West families.
Because it is difficult to read her age on the death record I have 2 possible dates or the range in between to explore for her birth. If 62 at DOD and 77 in the 1871 census I look at the range between 1807 and 1809.
Anne: I did a quick search of the following sources:
I then remembered that I owned a book which I had purchased about thirty years ago with the title WEST LINES, published in Truro, Nova Scotia, in 1978 and written by Margaret Adelia Ells. It contains 112 pages on the West families of Cornwallis Township, however, there is no index. I spent a little time checking pages and on page 71 found the family of William and Jane West who emigrated from Tisbury, Massachusetts to Cornwallis in 1760. As you can see from the attachment, his fifth son was Paul West, born in 1746 in Tisbury. Later, on pages 74 and 75, I found William West's Will made in 1798 and it lists his son Paul as an executor. I have also attached one page of the Will.
You are welcome to have the book if you do not have a copy. Please realize, however, that this does not definitely prove that the above mentioned Paul West is the Paul West you are looking for but since he is the only Paul West I can find in Nova Scotia during the 18th and 19th centuries, he probably is your ancestor. My theory is that Paul West sold his lands in Cornwallis and moved back to Massachusetts. I have no proof of that but it is probably something you could begin to research.
My great grandfather Donald MacDonald (McDonald) born 29 Nov 1848 in Ashdale, Antigonish, Nova Scotia (parents unknown but I believe could possibly be William MacDonald (McDonald) born 1814 in Scotland and Catherine ? from Nova Scotia. Donald passed away 29 Nov 1915 in Antigonish, Nova Scotia. My great grandmother - Margaret MacMillan (McMillan) born 15 Mar 1861 in Nova Scotia and passed away 27 April 1930 in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada. Her parents are Hugh MacMillan born Nov 1826 and Mary MacPherson born Jan 1840 - both of Nova Scotia, Canada.
I believe that Donald MacDonald married Margaret MacMillan (McMillan) between 1881-1884 in Nova Scotia but I have never been able to locate a marriage certificate which could tell me who his parents are and to confirm information on one of his brothers which I have done extensive research. Donald and Margaret went on to have 10 children - Colin, John Hugh, Catherine, Mary Isabella, Margaret Ann, Margaret Janet, William J, Rebecca, Joseph and Sarah Rebecca (all born in Antigonish, Nova Scotia).
My grandmother, Mary Isabella MacDonald's delayed birth registration shows Donald and Margaret as her parents. I have found the family in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 Canada Census in Nova Scotia. I am trying to find a marriage certificate so that I can identify Donald's father. I have only found one marriage for a Donald MacDonald and Margaret MacMillan on 25 Feb 1873 which could work but it shows Donald and Margaret as 40 and 41 years old and my family went on to have 10 children, the first being born in 1885. Why wait 12 years before starting a family. The marriage information from 25 Feb 1873 shows Donald's father as Arby and Ann and this information does not work out for my family? I have been working on this information for 5 years and still can't confirm it.
I have done extensive research on a brother (or cousin) of Donald MacDonald. His name was Alexander "Klondike King" MacDonald who married Margaret Chisholm on 9 Feb 1899. Alexander's father's name was William MacDonald. Which all the information that I have from Alexander suggests that Donald was his brother but I have never been able to confirm this. Once I confirm all information I would like to send the information to the Skagway Museum in the Yukon which would add to the history of the Klondike Gold Rush.
I have attached my timelines which shows what sources I have researched, if you have any questions, please contact me. Thank you.
Janice: When I first read the description of your Brick Wall problem I had little hope that I could solve it.
I have searched for decades for the parents of one Sophia Lewis born c.1820 , married 16 October 1839 at Port Maitland, Yarmouth County to Cyrus Parry. Died 4 October 1887 @ 68.
Sophia and Cyrus are both in school record for Beaver River Port Maitland. Unfortunately this record does not list parents.
Because Beaver River is in Digby County and Port Maitland is in Yarmouth County I have researched sources in both counties. What Probate records I could find for Digby County had no Lewis near the Yarmouth County border of the right age. This is not the Planter Lewis family of CapeForchu . I feel the connection is the Digby Loyalist Lewis family.
I would love to fill this large gap on Stuart's otherwise quite largely complete fan chart!
Gwen: As you probably heard from Deborah I have very little to add on the parentage of Sophia Lewis. I concentrated on the Digby County Lewis families as you suggested but found there has been very little research done on Lewis in Digby County. I checked with Sheryl Stanton at the Admiral Digby Museum and she contacted me today to say they have nothing on the Lewis families of Digby County and nothing on Sophia.
My Great Grandparents arrived from IRELAND in the 1840's and settled in Kings County, Nova Scotia, on the South Mountain 15 miles south of Kentville, N. S. This is the highway that runs from Kentville to New Ross and on to Chester Basin.
The former name for the area was Sherbrooke, then referred to as the New Ross Road, and more recently the area my family settled in is referred to as Blue Mountain.
Great Grandfather, Owen McGarry born 1810 in Ireland. Died 1899 New Ross Rd. His wife Mary (Trainer/or) born 1820 in Ireland. Died 1901 New Ross Road. Married in 1840 in Ireland. I have been unable to find the place of origin in Ireland; the names of their parents; a passenger list or the year of their arrival in Kings County or of any land document.
I have this clue as to when they were in Kings County. In my possession is a small sheet of paper torn from, I assume a small prayer book, with the inscription: “September 22, 1881. Presented by the Most Rev. Michael Hannan, Archbishop of Halifax to Mr. Owen McGarry of New Ross Road, Kings County, in grateful acknowledgement of many kindnesses…(2-3 words?).... 35 years ago…….of his visit as Archbishop 1881 to his hospitable home.” (I gave Terry Punch the original page, but I have the copy). These dates point back to 1846 so I assume they were living on the New Ross Road in Kings County in that year and how long before I do not know.
One daughter Ellen Margaret born 1841 in Ireland. The next child Peter is born 1849 – no middle name or place of birth. He left the farm and in 1884 was in Milan, New Hampshire. The 3rd. child is Owen John McGarry, born 13 Feb. 1850, New Ross Road. He married and had family and died in Clinton, Mass. Six more children were born on the New Ross Road and all moved to the USA. Re: Owen John – I wonder if the middle name JOHN may be a clue to a father's name in Ireland.
I would appreciate any direction in helping me to find Owen and Mary's origin in Ireland; the names of their parents; a Passenger list and arrival time in Kings County. Web-site suggestions would be helpful to me.
My mother once told me that the place of Cork was mentioned.
In 1872 a Post Office was established in their home. Their home was also known as a stop-over for a meal, change of horses or overnight accommodation. St. Joseph's Church in Kentville has a list of the more recent Baptisms. Obituaries do not provide a clue to birthplace. Owen McGarry and other men from that area provided lumber in the building of the present St. Joseph Church.
I know you will have many queries and good luck to all the participants.
When did Owen McGarry and Mary Trainor come to NS from Ireland: what county and who were their parents? And what was the ship?
My grandfather Allen Henry Manuel and my grandmother Blanch Edna Greenough were married April 30, 1899 in Canning, N.S. He was 47 at the time and so would have been born about 1852. The marriage certificate states that he was born in St. Margaret's Bay to parents James and Sarah Manuel ,occupation engineer. Allen's tombstone in Hillaton Cemetery, Kings County states that he was born in 1854. His death certificate states that he was 69 when he died on December 2, 1919 in Windsor, N.S. and that his parents were Henry Manuel and Mary Ennis (or Eisener). He would have been born around 1850 with a different set of parents. This was definitely his death certificate.
I searched the Baptism Records in the Parish of St. Paul, St Margaret's Bay and found the dates of birth and baptism for 12 of James and Sarah Manuel's 14 children. I could not find dates for Allen or Amos. Where were they baptised?
I also searched for school records but was unsuccessful.
March 16,1974, Mrs Rupert (Ethel) Manuel from Peggy's Cove, wrote a letter listing 11 children of James and Sarah Manuel, including Allen and Amos. She told me that Allen had gone to the USA as a young man.
I also received a letter from my Aunt Ethel Porter in Canning who said her father was born in Peggy's Cove and he had relatives in Gold River and Chester Basin. She said that Allen had gone to sea at age 12 and he had not returned to N.S. for 28 years and then only for a short time.
Allen had previously been married in the USA and had a family there. The 1880 US Census records for Keywest, Monroe , Florida show that Allen was 28 and was born in 1852 in NS. The 1901 Canadian Census for Canning, N.S. shows that Allen was born Aug 25, 1854 and that he was 47. The 1911 Census for Canning shows that he was 62 so he would have been born in 1849. I presume that Allen was born about Aug 25, 1852 in Peggy's Cove and that James and Sarah Manuel were his parents but I would like to know for sure.
James and Sarah Manuel were married Dec 12, 1839 in the Parish of St. Margaret. James Manuel drowned April 21, 1875 and Sarah Manuel died Oct 10, 1904 in Halifax. She was buried in Glen Margaret according to her obituary but I cannot find out where that cemetery is.
James Manuel's parents were Peter Manuel and Ann Catharine Dophny who were married Nov 17, 1814 .in St. Paul's Anglican Church in Halifax. I do not know what happened to Peter but Ann Catharine later married Christopher Allan in St. Paul's Anglican Church in Halifax on Dec 14, 1828.and she was buried in the Indian Harbour Baptist Cemetery. I do not know who Peter's parents were or where they came from. Any help you can give me in solving these problems would be appreciated.
Looking for proof of parentage for Allen Henry Manuel: Death certificate says Henry and Mary of Mahone Bay, marriage record says James and Sarah, St. Margarets Bay